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[Debate] Character Battle #2: General

Discussion in 'Battle Ring' started by Za Warudo, Sep 19, 2015.

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  1. Za Warudo

    Za Warudo The Ceaseless Hunger

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    If he is in range and redirects the damage of an attack that is at that level Gilgamesh's armor is gone. And since it takes the same amount of force to destroy a Mountain under the size of Mt. Everest, 6.3 megatons, it can destroy a city too.
     
  2. Μακι

    Μακι ∆ rare ∆ Mafia Host

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    Also he can just direct it at gil's face instead.
     
  3. Impulse

    Impulse Promised Victory

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    If he's in character, he's not going to toss a mountain buster at Gagamaru's face right away. He'd start with the smaller ones that he likes to use, which tend to be less than building level is. If it's clear that they're not damaging Gagamaru, he'd then step it up to the A-ranked ones he fires. Being in-character here helps him.

    Second, Gagamaru has never been shown to redirect a mountain level attack by NFL. His ability shouldn't even be able to compensate for it. Those A-ranked Phantasms, or going as far as Ea, are stronger than Gagamaru has been shown to redirect.

    Basically, Gilgamesh has the following advantages over Gagamaru.
    1. Gagamaru, by NFL, is not capable of redirecting a mountain level attack. He has never been shown to redirect a city/mountain level attack.
    2. Gilgamesh is capable of using mountain level attacks.
    3. IC, Gilgamesh will use them as needed to kill the worm.
    4. Gagamaru has no feasible way of damaging Gilgamesh except by redirecting attacks.
    5. An attack strong enough to harm Gilgamesh will surpass Gagamaru's ability to redirect attacks.

    Speed comparisons between them would be irrelevant here, for reasons 4 and 5.
     
  4. Za Warudo

    Za Warudo The Ceaseless Hunger

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    Since Stark is busy with the Monster Mafia, how could people deal with Jack's Zanmaken Ni No Tachi? A cutting style that allows to to chose what he cuts physical or spiritually.
     
  5. Impulse

    Impulse Promised Victory

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    Gilgamesh isn't poor at swordsmanship. He should be able to hold his own while using GoB to pummel Jack. GoB also has anti-magical weapons like Gae Dearg that can cut through magecraft, which is of help against a character like Jack. Then there's Gae Bolg, which always strikes the enemy heart.
     
  6. Za Warudo

    Za Warudo The Ceaseless Hunger

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    And if Jack decides to cut Gilgamesh's soul?
     
  7. Μακι

    Μακι ∆ rare ∆ Mafia Host

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    Only problem here is that gilgamesh got beat by shirou when he wasn't wearing his armor, and gagamaru can ignore his armor when redirecting attacks.

    EDIT: Also yes gil is pretty bad at sword fighting, that's how he lost to shirou, because he is an owner of weapons and not a user of weapons.
     
  8. Impulse

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    What's the strongest that sword style has done damage to?

    Gilgamesh still has buliding-level durability without armor. If a smaller weapon than that doesn't kill Gagamaru instantly, he would just try to annihilate him outright.

    And no, he didn't lose to Shirou in a sword fight. He didn't even manage to fully draw his sword. Shirou beat him in a clash of NP's, and overpowered GoB. Gilgamesh attempted to draw Ea, but was disarmed before then. He can react fast enough to block Saber's prana burst sword strikes without his sword.

    Simply put, he doesn't need to stoop to prolonged swordfighting. That's what GoB is for.
     
  9. Μακι

    Μακι ∆ rare ∆ Mafia Host

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    If shirou was able to disarm him, that means he's shit.
     
  10. Impulse

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    He didn't even have a sword drawn, and was not bloodthirsted. He was playing around with Shirou, and didn't even have a sword drawn.
    If he's bloodthirsted, he's on guard and aiming to kill.
    You still haven't explained how Gagamaru can even hurt him without taking a minor blow and then being one-shotted.
     
  11. Μακι

    Μακι ∆ rare ∆ Mafia Host

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    Gil has never been bloodthirsted, and there aren't any NPs with enough passive power to oneshot.
     
  12. Impulse

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    He's bloodthirsted here.
    The closest he's gotten to bloodthirst is his first encounter with F/Z Berserker. He paid attention when Berserker threw his own NP's back at him. He's not going to blankly stare ahead and ignore threats.
     
  13. Μακι

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    "In Character but mindset to kill." doesn't mean bloodthirsted
     
  14. Impulse

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    That's close enough for Gilgamesh.
    He's never not in character, and plays around with some people.
    But the people he actively tries to kill, he is on guard against. Berserker F/Z, Berserker F/SN, Rider F/Z.